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2008-12-04 00:55:59
Actualmente, mi amigo, while in the English-speaking world the word 'corrida' is often associated only with the running of the bulls, como en Pamplona, in Spain and Latin America it means the bullfight. What we think of as the corrida is just a preliminary, or warm up act, to the actual fighting, and it's also an opportunity for young men to find out how fast they can run while they're drunk. One more point if I may...the bullfight is not supposed to be a contest nor is it a sport. It's more of a dramatic performance, a ritualized re-enactment of the relationship between humankind and nature, between man and beast.
2008-12-04 00:32:53
I was born in Texas and have lived most of my life here...I've owned some cows, seen some rodeos...used to sell ice cream and snow cones at the rodeo when I was a little kid... not a big fan but I promise you a wild cow milking contest is a real hoot......and I can also promise you that except for when those rodeo critters ( called 'buckin' stock ) are acttually buckin' they lead comfortable lives and are well cared for..
2008-12-03 23:35:54
all points well taken p. and p. but i'm still maintaining my point: this is not a discussion about the cruelty of our western practices with cows and other animals. this is simply taking a stand to say, Spain, ABOLISH BULLFIGHTING. and patito, this is not about the corrida, which i don't even think is cruel, this is about the matadors. ------and about my cheeseburger and ice cream, i don't deny the American/western livestock industry is a god-awful mess of cruelty, but to say it borders on hypocrisy is facile--we all have blood on our hands. in this case i have a delicious cheeseburger on my hands.
2008-12-03 21:17:49
So, teehee, you admit to watching rodeos?
2008-12-03 21:16:20
It's easy to oppose the cruelty of the corrida because if it were to be abolished it would not inconvenience most of us. But do we oppose the far greater cruelty of the commercial meat production industry? Most of us don't, because if that were to be abolished it would mean no more burgers and barbecue, no more steaks and pork chops, bacon and sausage. No more cheese and butter, milk or ice cream. So we just prefer not to think about the routine cruelty invovled in meat production. We don't want to be reminded of it. Keep the feed lots and stockyards and slaughter houses out of sight. I'll have the rib-eye, medium rare...pink but no blood, please. Again, back to my first point. IF you are a vegetarian ( I'm not, though I find vegetarianism philosophically interesting, and believe we will and should evolve in that direction ) then it's logically consistent to oppose the corrida. But if you're decrying the bullfight and howling about how mean those old Spaniards and Mexicans are while munching that cheeseburger or scarfin' down that ice cream, your argument lacks not only consistency and moral authority, but borders on hypocrisy.
2008-12-03 20:14:26
Next time you watch a rodeo see how one of the handlers pulls the flank rope taut as the gate opens. I don't think the animals like being that "well treated".
2008-12-03 16:37:12
No, fyi, I am not missing the point. Cruelty to animals must be abolished. Period. Just to start yelling about one type of animal abuse (such as fullfighting) is not enough. End of story.
2008-12-03 06:32:43
poppy, patito, your comments are full of good information, but you still the point! this is not a big discussion about the livestock industry and our western ways of eating beef! this is simply making a point that the Spanish are still syndicating a cruel and unusual treatment of an animal, and a medieval ritual that must be abolished! end of story.
2008-12-03 06:32:40
poppy, patito, your comments are full of good information, but you still the point! this is not a big discussion about the livestock industry and our western ways of eating beef! this is simply making a point that the Spanish are still syndicating a cruel and unusual treatment of an animal, and a medieval ritual that must be abolished! end of story.
2008-12-03 04:05:22
I have never been to a bullfight nor shall I ever go to one. Would I stop bullfighting if I could? Definitely. But I am with Patito on this one, and have expressed several opinions of the subject before. What the bulls suffer briefly in the ring is NOTHING compared with the billions of livestock animals that suffer daily, continuously, from severe mis- and illtreatment at the hands of those who breed them, transport them and sell them. I eat meat occasionally, but at least in my country I can find meat of animals that have had a 'good' natural life in the country as opposed to having lived all their lives in pens, and then being transported for hundreds of miles to a slaughterhouse while not even getting water to drink.. Compared with all of that, the bulls of the corrida have a pampered, luxury life, albeit that their end is a shameful stamp on the race that we call 'humans'. // Did you know that when you have a hamburger at one of the big chains such as McDonald's, in one burger you may have the meat of HUNDREDS of animals, thus compounding their suffering into one stupendous horror story that should make you gag.
2008-12-02 20:46:43
Sorry, but that business about the flank strap being tied to rodeo animals' genitals is another myth. Those are valuable animals and are very well treated and cared for. When they do work, it's for less than ten seconds a day. Don't take my word for it..do some research and find out for yourself.
2008-12-02 18:42:17
"look at American rodeos and horse wrangling--those bulls and horses are healthy and strong and doing a natural thing".- No they're not, they have a rope tautened round their genitals to make them buck.
2008-12-02 07:38:08
I'm sorry folks, but it isn't quite that simple. You're probably both very nice, kind, gentle people, and probably live lives very far removed from the grim reality of the commercial livestock industry. I can tell you for a fact, based on years of personal experience and observation , that he scale of suffering and terror endured by animals in the day to day business of producing meat is incomparably more vast than the corrida. If you're genuinely concerend about the sufferings of animals stop eating them and stop eating dairy products. If you're willing to put animals through the agony and anguish they endure in the livestock and meat processing business so you can have a cheeseburger, your complaints about bull fighting are going to ring kind of hollow.
2008-12-02 06:25:17
everyone already said it but i'll also say it--bullfighting: gugh. it's only still there because it's supposed to be part of Spanish "culture". it needs to be abolished. there is simply no excuse for it. look at American rodeos and horse wrangling--those bulls and horses are healthy and strong and doing a natural thing--and everyone loves it--and then that's it. torturing the bull like this is a SHAME on you Espana.
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2008-12-02 00:01:37
Bullfighting is done for NO other reason except to watch a Bull being tortured to death. They are not killing it for food or clothing or any useful purpose. ONLY to watch it die a horrible death. Simply for the amusement of a sadistic crowd. Same with cockfighting and dogfights are for the purpose of watching animals forced to tear each other apart. Sick.
2008-12-01 23:03:53
If you are a vegetarian who eats neither meat nor dairy products, your argument is at least logically consistent. If you eat meat or dairy products then you're at best very naive about the routine cruelty involved in the livestock business. I'm not in favor of tormenting animals either, but there is a great deal of hypocrital pissing and moaning about bullfighting by people who don't really know anything about it.
Unknown
2008-12-01 22:49:44
BULLFIGHTING NEEDS TO BE ABOLISHED.! THOSE COLORED STICKS ON ITS BACK ARE ATTACHED TO SPEARS DRIVEN INTO THE BULLS MUSCLES TO IMPAIR THE BULLS STRENGTH SO THE BRAVE "MATADOR" CAN PLAY AT APPEARING BRAVE WAVING A CAPE AT A TERRIFIED BULL. TORMENTED TILL IT IS NEAR DEATH FROM BLOOD LOSS AND EXHAUSTION -THE "BRAVE" MATADOR INFLICTS FURTHER PAIN BY CUTTING OFF AN EAR BEFORE FINALLY DRIVING ANOTHER SPEAR INTO THE POOR SACRIFICIAL ANIMAL TO END ITS SUFFERING.
2008-12-01 13:38:43
Go, Bull!!!