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2011-09-17 10:04:56
This is scary global warming. Also called summer. The sun should definitely be banned! Forever!
2009-05-27 20:35:42
This is perfect example of GLOBAL WARMING...We should start act to Stop this with Targets Set.
2008-08-09 13:37:10
At least we can take some comfort in the fact that once we drive ourselves extinct, the world will heal. Whether it takes 100 years or a 1000 or 1,000,000, the world will heal. There will be a proliferation of life again. And the best news of all, is that it is extremely unlikely that another specie will evolve with enough brain power to do it all again. Or we may not go extinct. Wars, famine, floods, storms may just reduce the human population to 1/10,000 or so, and push humanity back to the stone age, where humans can do no serious damage for 1000's of years. See? If you look on the bright side . . .
2008-04-08 14:18:20
my first thought: a great new place for some summertime beach fun!
2008-04-08 12:41:37
I am forbidden by contract to state my field; in fact, I told you too much already. I'm not trying to impress anybody, Bob. Go back and re-read my first post...just trying to help. And, I'm not posting this for anybody else to read, but if they do, I'll leave it to a dispassionate observer to determine if they detect any anger, and hint of "know-it-all" in any of my posts. If you end up interpreting data the way you have interpreted my posts here...I doubt very much that I will ever have the experience of addressing you as "colleague," and that is just as well...for the sake of science. Farewell, my friend.
2008-04-07 03:07:27
Naturally, you didn't address even a single one of the points I made. You talk about me being "anger-fielled, immature young know-it-all", which is fairly bad. However, what is worse is an anger-filled, immature OLD know-it-all, which is what you appear to be. I do not find your appeals to anonymous authority in any way shape or form the least bit compelling. If you're not willing to at LEAST say what field of science you are in, then why even bother mentioning it? ... anyway, I could go on... but I won't. I doubt very many people are reading this anyway, so there's no point.
2008-04-07 02:58:55
My very last post on this subject and then I'm moving on or else my head is going to be sore from beating it against this brick wall. I read your first couple sentences above, and the last couple...nothing in between because I think you are deliberately misunderstanding my points or being deliberately provocative; and anyway I must go back to work tomorrow and I need a clear mind. No, I won't reveal my field of science because with some deduction you could then have a one-in-four chance of walking into my office (assuming you could first get by security.) I work for a government agency, do research and data assembly, and publish my findings for reading by the end users. My offices produce our own independent data, we take information provided by research labs in Germany, France, Israel, and a few far-flung outposts in remote sites in the Indian Ocean, the South China Sea, the South Pacific, etc. We integrate the data, using our BRa1N systems (tip: there is a hint of humour there...see if you can see it) and some really cool software, then we send our collective wisdom off to...ummm...some really far away places. I don't get paid a lot of money, I'm forbidden to do commercials or advise script writers involved in certain types of movies. In other words, I lead a very boring life...which is why I sometimes stop in this website to see some nice pics of the real world. By all means keep that edgy attitude, Bob...it will serve you well if you ever do actually become a scientist. But as I said before, if someone tries to lighten things up a bit with some humour, don't throw it back in his face, old boy. Let's face it, I may sit on your evaluation committee when you submit your PhD dissertation, and if I think a PhD candidate doesn't have a sense of humour...I subtract points. After all, I may have to share a lab with this chap some day and I'd rather associate with a funny bloke than an anger-filled, immature young know-it-all. Cheers!
2008-04-06 12:12:35
1. About Galileo... "Scientists" never "knew" for a "fact" anything. The people who accused them of heresy and whatnot were NOT in any way, shape or form scientists. They were clergymen. In fact, It has often been said that Galileo was the first true modern scientist. I'm not sure I'd go quite that far, but the point that science was we know it simply did not exist back then is well taken. 2. While I think Galileo was a bad example, I do realize that sometimes the scientific consensus has been wrong and formerly "crackpot" scientists have gained respectability. HOWEVER, I am sure that you will agree that it is not up to the general public to decide whether to go with the scientific consensus or not. THAT is what has always gotten into problems, such as the current debate among the public about evolution vs. creationism. It is not only foolish but extremely arrogant for any lay person who has not spent years studying the issue to go against the scientific consensus. I am sure you will also agree that the VAST majority of scientists who go against the scientific consensus are just plain wrong. I don't think it is statistically possible for it to be otherwise. As such, your point about what has happened before is not only irrelevant, it actually supports my position. There is a FAR greater likelihood that global warming deniers are Michael Behe's (creationist) than they are Galileo's. 3. I don't think I need to lighten up. If anything, I and other people who expect to have serious scientific discussions should toughen up. Yes, scientists joke all the time... but I'm sure you know very well that they are also vicious when it comes to completely dismantling scientific papers and shredding your arguments to pieces. That is just how it is, and I for one love it. 4. I have never, not even once, claimed (or even suggested) that I am absolutely sure that GW is a 100% valid concept. You are making an enormous straw men when you say that I do. 5. Even if I HAD claimed that, the rest about online universities is just a complete non-sequitur and I have no clue where you were going with that. 6. Just out of curiosity... would you mind telling us what kind of scientist you are?
2008-04-06 11:31:27
Thanks for the reply, Bob. If I took any of your comments out of context I apologize. And, I didn't "refuse" to reveal what I believe or disbelieve about global warming. I simply don't have the energy right now to get into it...63 years old and I've had a full day...I'm tired. I was just addressing you saying "the science is in," and "the evidence is overwhelming." You said: "I feel perfectly justified in using strong language against people who are so incredibly arrogant who believe they can go against thousands and thousands of scientists, and call them uneducated morons." There was a scientist one time, named Gallileo. He did years of investigative research, then published his findings. He thought the earth revolved around the sun instead of the sun revolving around the earth. Well, this was blasphemy...heresy; thousands of scientists KNEW for a FACT that the sun revolved around the earth! Your reading assignment for tonight or tomorrow is: Go to your local library and look up Gallileo...see what his fellow scientists and the predominant church at the time did to him. While you are there, do some research and see if the facts are with or against Gallileo; does the earth revolve around the sun or vice versa? Oh wait...you don't have to go to your local library...just Google it! I keep forgetting Google. Wow...you are going to have it easy, becoming a scientist! But anyway, the case of Gallileo and hundreds of other scientists being called "nuts" and "crackpots" by their peers, and only after their deaths being hailed as heroes of the scientific profession in the face of horrible persecution...that is why thousands of reputable, established, highly educated and credentialed scientists are willing to risk their professional reputation...their very career, to stick to their beliefs...whether they believe in global warming or disbelieve. And, Bob, if you are going to be a scientist, man, you need to lighten up...we are a rather humorous group, generally speaking (but the science isn't in yet.) Oh, yeah...did you really believe that I believed "hooey" is a scientific term? That was, Bob, what is called in the scientific community, a "JOKE." Maybe you've heard of it. Oh, and Bob, I have a question for you...a serious question. Since you know, absolutely and with no doubt, that global warming is a 100% valid concept...why go to all the trouble of doing all that work in becoming a scientist? Just go to one of those Internet "universities," buy yourself a degree, and go on the lecture circuit. Write a book, go on TV...(CNN would love you, as so would Oprah) citing all the references you've Googled, especially that one...ibelieveinglobalwarmingandifyoudontyouarestoopid.com. Okay, now I'm really tired. I'm going to bed. G'nite Bob, and Patito.
2008-04-06 10:39:31
John, Zumi was replying to my comment. Zumi, why don't you try explaining what you meant then? If anything, I think you are the guilty one of failing at reading comprehension.... or at least communication skills. Your post was largely incoherent.
2008-04-06 10:37:17
Oh, no te tienes que disculpar por noada. En mi opinion, la discusion es interestante y muy util. ... Sobre la posible glaciacion- Ah, ya se de que estas hablando. Lo que pasa es que las corrientes del mar pueden ser disturbadas por el calentamiento, y eso puede resultar en una glaciacion localizada.... pero no creo que es en todo el mundo. Creo que la mayoria de la glaciacion seria en Europa.
2008-04-06 10:31:40
" And then an intelligent person can say, as did you, "My firm opinion, based upon evidence I've seen and people with whom I've talked, is..." ".................. Something NOBODY (but, IMO, me and patito) in here has done. You refuse to talk about what you actually believe, and the person I was originally replying to said nothing of the kind. S/he was the one who was calling people morons and saying people were lacking education about how the world works. I feel perfectly justified in using strong language against people who are so incredibly arrogant who believe they can go against thousands and thousands of scientists, and call them uneducated morons. I completely agree with the rest of what you said. I am more than willing to have a decent, calm, and quiet debate with anyone, but as they say, it takes two to tango. You CANNOT have such a debate when the person starts out by calling the overwhelming majority of scientists uneducated morons. As a future scientist and science lover, I not only find that outrageous, but personally insulting and offensive.
2008-04-06 10:23:19
Of course science is "never in" in the technical sense. For example, it is theoretically possible that we could still find some evidence which would lead us to change the theory of universal gravitation. However, I was being colloquial when I said that the science is in. As for global warming beyond a reasonable doubt- Tell that to ALL the major scientific organizations, ALL (but one) which say the same thing I said. And that that to the thousands and thousands of scientists worldwide who have studied this issue for years and have concluded that there is reason to believe beyond a reasonable doubt that AGW is real. It is not "MY" beliefs or whatnot. There is an overwhelming majority of scientists who accept AGW. There ISN'T a reputable scientist who doesn't accept AGW for every one that does. I challenge you to find me a recent, peer-reviewed paper found in reputable scientific journals that cast doubt on the idea of anthropogenic global warming. I am sure I could find you 30 more for every one you can produce. ........ hooey is NOT a scientific term..... As for what I appear to be, I don't really care what people think of me, and I don't believe in self-censorship or acting as if ridiculous notions are not ridiculous.
2008-04-06 10:14:09
Huh...huh?
2008-04-06 10:13:29
Huh?
2008-04-06 09:46:27
Holy damn, you completely fail at reading comprehension in the midst of that little tantrum you're having.
2008-04-06 09:22:42
Holy damn, you completely fail at reading comprehension in the midst of that little tantrum you're having.
2008-04-06 09:04:15
If that's true, John, why do the position papers of virtually every professional organizatuon of scientists in areas related to this subject state without equivocation that not only is the planet warming but that there isnt really any debate within the scientific community over whether it is or not ? There is debate and there are honest differences of opinion about the source and cause of warming, but virtually none about whether warming is taking place. At least not among climate scientists and geophysicists. I live on an island, and my front steps are about 12 feet above mean sea level...global warming is something I take very seriously and have investigated quite thoroughly..I wish there were less unanimity of opinion among scientists that the planet is warming and sea levels rising..I'd really prefer to beleive it isn't so..but so far the overwhelming preponderance of opinion seems to be that we are, in fact, warming up..And let me say I appreciate the tone and spirit of your post..whether you're correct or not you are clearly a considerate and thoughful individual.
2008-04-06 08:21:42
Estimados Amigos: Disculpen que no pueda participar porque no hablo inglés, mi idea no era polemizar sobre un tema tan delicado, sino mostrar una imagen de lo que sucede con el glaciar UPSALA que se encuentra en Sudamérica, Argentina, Patagonia, Provincia de Santa Cruz, Calafate, gracias amigos por su comprensión. Jorge.- PD: En cuanto a la posible glaciación, se estima que puede ser factible según teorías cientificas en base a distintas hipótesis, como efecto rebote del calentamiento, guerras, etc. pero no puedo mas que informar, en internet hay bastante información al respecto. Saludos.- Jorge.-
2008-04-06 08:10:47
Bob, I would like to comment on your post, but please understand that I AM NOT ADDRESSING GLOBAL WARMING, per se. Speaking as a scientist I can tell you with absolute certainty that the (italics on) science [of ANYTHING] is NEVER in (ital. off) as you stated it here. Science is, by strict definition, a continuing search for the truth...(and "the truth" on ANY subject is not fixed but exists in shades of white, black, and all shades of grey in between.) If not, we would have stopped the search for the perfect antibiotic after penicillin was discovered; we would have stopped space exploration after men walked on the moon. And your other comment...that global warmin is happening (ital.on) beyond a reasonable doubt (ital. off) is simply not true. The very human side of you, the emotional side of you, may be convinced that there is no reasonable doubt, but your beliefs and emotions do not make anything "true" and bind all other men and women to YOUR beliefs. For every credible, reputable, credentialed scientist who believes that global warming is true, there will be one just as reputable, credible, and credentialed who believes global warming is a lot of hooey (a scientific term that means roughly the same thing as b***s***) We scientists have a saying..."Fill a room with 100 scientists, and you can get 114 opinions on any given subject." Anyway, I've used more than my share of bandwidth here. I just want to advise you, kindly and respectfully, to moderate your words when you address subjects like global warming, lest you appear to be the "loon" you accuse anti-global warming believers of being. You may indeed be passionate about the reality of global warming, but that doesn't make you the God of Global Warming, hurling binding opinions down from Mt. Olympus. Your opinion is your opinion...and that, my friend, all it is. Thank you.
2008-04-06 06:30:58
Yeah, people live, they suffer, and die all the time. They get sick, they starve, they get hit by coconuts. They've been doing it for millenia now. This is nothing new... therefore we shouldn't worry about genocides or discrimination, wars or famines. We should just sit by and let it all happen........ (end of sarcasm) Look. The science is in. It has been shown that, beyond a reasonable doubt, global warming is happening AND that it is caused by humans. Unless you have some new amazing evidence that proves we've been wrong all this time, then I see no reason to believe that we should not do our best to prevent the effects of global warming.
2008-04-06 06:18:27
Iceflows come, iceflows go. The same as they've been doing for millenias now. This is nothing new, and to suggest that the only thing the poster meant about the image was "OMFG GLOBAL WARMING", is not only moronic, but only shows extreme lack of education on how the world works.
2008-04-06 04:46:26
Estaba respondiendo a Matt, no a tu foto. Aunque no creo que hay evidencia que sugiere que una glaciacion nueva nos espera en unos "pocos años". Nos puedes dar unas referencias por favor? (translation: I was replying to Matt, not to your picture. Although I don't think there is any evidence that suggests that there will be a new ice age in a few years. Could you give us sources please?)... damn my Spanish is rusty...
2008-04-06 04:25:30
Bob, lo que trato de decir es que hay un fenomeno de retroceso de los glaciares en todo el mundo, lo muestro como hecho de la realidad, sin insinuar que se nos alejemos de las playas... heheheeeeeeee De todas maneras una glaciación nueva se espera para dentro de pocos años, y tampoco eso es un dato que nos intranquilice... en fin es una foto, nada mas que eso, una foto comparativa, e informativa a la vez... saludos.-
2008-04-06 03:48:39
Uh... huh... what exactly are you trying to say? Nobody's saying that anyone is going to go to sleep one night and then wake up with water up to their necks, so people living on the beach front means absolutely nothing... whether they accept anthropogenic global warming or deny it.
2008-04-06 03:37:43
And a lot of the more insane global warming fans live quite happily on the beach front.
2008-04-06 01:45:36
I don't know the specifics about this particular picture, but Glaciers all over the world ARE melting at an increasing pace. Even the most insane global warming deniers admit this fact.
2008-04-06 01:06:52
fuckin bullshit