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2010-09-19 00:39:49
You can't equate killing animals for food and the torturing of an animal to death merely for 'entertainment' as the same thing. It is not glorious for a matador to torment the bull. Not a performance, just the systematic wearing down of the animal until it is exhausted and then plunging a sword into it. Would you think dogfighting acceptable? How about two roosters slashing into each other with razors attached to their legs? Or how about the gladiatorial games of ancient Rome? Some of had lived glamorous lives.
2010-09-17 03:30:10
Go bull! Go Vegan!
2010-09-17 03:29:34
Go Bull! Go Vegan!
2010-09-06 06:54:44
Instead of eating meat, I often have approximately 14-16 natural almonds (no salt, skin on) to get the same amount of protein. I know that it's high in calories I also have soybean because it's the most 'perfect' protein to have. Tofu is also very good, but the soybean is the most perfect replacement for meat...but I can't remember exactly why. I very rarely eat ground beef. In Canada, restaurants are not allowed to serve burgers unless it's completely cooked - no pink showing - it's the law. I have recently read that studies have shown that people who eat a lot of chicken tend to put on more weight...but I can't remember why ;-) We should eat protein with every meal, but remember that a serving of meat is about 4 ounces (size of a deck of cards), with the fat removed. Beside soybean, tofu, almonds, eat fish about 4 x a week. The best are sardine, salmon - trout, sole is ok too. Not only are sardines and salmons a good replacement, but the fat in there is the good fat - it destroys the bad fat. There are certain fish that have too much lead, but I again can't remember which ones except for halibut, so they should be eaten only once in a while...as a treat. But, don't give them to children.
2010-09-05 23:13:23
Connie is on the right track, and especially when it comes to chickens. They are the most heavily medicated of all domestic livestock due to the crowded conditions of confinement in which they're raised. Any illness will spread like wildfire and an entire brooder house can be lost very quickly, so they are innoculated routinely against almost every poultry disease known to veterinary science. The effect of that is, of course, that the pathogens mutate and evolve into bigger and badder versions of themselves, so it's a kind of running battle between producers and diseases. Something to think about that next time you order those chicken nuggets at the Toot n' Tell 'em.
2010-09-05 21:18:06
Congratulations. In terms of social and ecological evolution you are ahead of the pack. The rest of the human race will probably be moving in that direction as time goes by. I plan to become a vegetarian myself as soon as food scientists develop a soy-based product that has exactly the same texture, taste and aroma as a grilled lambchop .
2010-09-05 18:45:57
Nope. I'm a committed vegan. I'm fairly passionate about it. There is plenty to enjoy in this world without causing the suffering or death of other sentient creatures. I do, however, kill mosquitos with great relish. And scorpions. Other than that, though, I make every attempt to revere and honor other beings who just want to live a decent and peaceful life. As for the bullfight being a form of ballet, I question whether the bull would agree. The ballet performances I've enjoyed don't involve stabbing the dancer with spears and killing her off after the performance. I fail to see the beauty in that. Let humans fight each other for sport if they must, but leave innocent animals alone.
2010-09-05 17:47:11
I have a question for you patito, are you and Lascaux one and the same? It certainly appears that you are.
2010-09-05 16:09:01
I resolved my differences as to being a carnivore or vegetarian years ago by deciding to satisfy my carnivore taste buds by eating stone crab. The practice in South Florida where all of the US stone crab originates is to catch the crab (in a crab pot), to break off the larger claw, and then throw the crab back in (alive) to grow a new claw. True the crab is certainly inconvenienced a bit, by having to grow a new claw and being without one for a while; but he/she must prefer this to being killed and completely devoured.
2010-09-05 13:40:00
There is another problem with eating beef that is more than our concerns for animal cruelties. The animals are injected with growth hormones, penicillin etc. Many doctors are speaking out about their concerns for our children. Girls are now developing breasts at the age of 10. We are becoming more drug resistent to Penicillin. Someone was on Oprah Winfrey's show to talk about what is injected in animals. She then announced she would no longer eat beef. The Texas Cattleman's Association took her to court; desperate to silence her. She won. The problem is not just meat beef, chicken, etc. What do we really know about 'engineered' food. Can our governments guarantee that no harm will come to the next generation. Can we even trust them to tell us the truth? Some countries in Europe have banned the importing of 'engineered' food in their countries. Then there is 'farmed' fish. Wild salmon are getting parasites from 'farmed' salmon; and that will spread throughout our oceans. I'll now go and get me a nice cup of coffee to settle my nerves...with a double shot of Grand Marnier ;-)
2010-09-05 13:29:50
I was in Portugal and spoke to a lot of Portuguese about the bullfights. They are proud to say that the difference between them and the Spaniards is that they do not kill the bull; it's left to go on to another fight. Mind you, the Portuguese love the whole world, even Americans ;-); but, they hate the Spaniards.
2010-09-05 12:03:44
you don't even eat eggs? or drink milk? what about wearing animal products, such as leather shoes, etc?
2010-09-05 11:48:17
Is not a sport. Is not a competition. Is a theatrical performance, more like ballet or opera performance than sport. Most critics of la corrida have make this fundamental misunderstanding .
2010-09-05 11:00:34
And, a belated apology to Poncillo. I get a bit het up over this topic and I was out of line. I'm sorry.
2010-09-05 10:06:42
Well, you can count me as the UN-hypocritical. I've not had an animal product in my mouth in 38 years. I agree about the livestock industry. Jon Robbin's seminal book Diet for A New America only scratched the surface of the cruelty done to livestock. There are much more recent books and films that expose the horrific suffering these animals go through so that people can indulge their taste for meat. I don't know anybody, though, with the courage or the integrity to read them. But, the torture has gotten far worse over the decades. Cows, for instance, getting caught up in the slaughter line who wind up being skinned alive. Joke's on the carnivores, though. In the end, it's a practice that'll kill 'em.
2010-09-05 09:56:58
In Portugal the bull die as well, just as in Spanish corrida, but is done after, out of sight of peoples to see it. But sometimes, also as in Spanish corrida, the bull retire to the farm if he is brave. But this do not to happen often, usual thing is bull is killed.
2010-09-05 09:28:00
I'm sorry, thegrrrr8est, but Poncillo's comment is correct. Nothing is done to the bull to injure or disable him before he charges into the ring. For the first 'Tercio' or 'third' the matador faces the bull, who is in perfect health, full grown, and in complete possession of all his powers, with nothing more than a large cape. It is true that later the bull is stabbed by a mounted picador in the mass of muscles behind his neck to weaken his ability to toss and hook, and the 'banderilleros', on foot, stick short pronged spears into the same muscle. But the bull is still far from disabled, and in fact many fatal injuries to matadors occur during the final 'Tercio' when the matador is attempting to kill the bull. I'm not arguing that the corrida isn't cruel. It is cruel, and it may deserve to be done away with. But it is certainly and absolutely no more cruel in scope or scale than the kinds of cruelties and terrors inflicted on animals in the domestic livestock industry. To oppose the killing and mistreatment of animals is a respectable moral, ethical and philosphical position. But to raise a great hue and cry about the corrida with your mouth full of steak, pork chops or hamburgers is simply hypocritical.
2010-09-05 07:07:43
That's bullshit, Poncillo. What do you think the spears hanging out from his flesh are? There are men whose job it is to rile the poor bastard up before he goes into the ring. A nice slash to the flesh usually does the job really well.
2010-09-05 06:46:31
You forgot to mention chickens; they are abused also. There has been a lot of picketing, on and off, in front of Kentucky Fried Chicken franchises here in Vancouver.
2010-09-05 06:44:28
The Portuguese do not use weapons, but it's still very frightening for the bull. If I recall correctly, I recently read that Spain has or will be banning this. There has been an outcry all over the world against that. It's an extremely cruel 'sport'. But, I wonder how anyone can go and watch that.
2010-09-05 04:44:21
Here's somethng else to think about. Beef cattle are usually slaughtered at or before about 30 months of age. Spanish law dictates that no bull can enter the corrida younger than 4 years. And for those four years El Toro is a free and almost wild creature, never worked or choused, not castrated like almost all male beef cattle are. He lives not only a longer life but a much better life compared to most male bovines. And there is always the chance, if he displays great valor, that he wil be spared and will live out his life in green pastures.
2010-09-04 00:07:28
"Bruising is a major problem with cull cows. Most bruises are caused by rough handling and hauling from the time they leave the ranch until they are processed at the plant." from 'Marketing Cull Cows," published by the Animal Science Dept, Texas A&M University.
2010-09-03 23:45:13
not true. nothing happen to the bull before he go into the ring.
2010-09-03 14:11:22
And in fact, even if one doesn't eat meat but just eats dairy products one is complicit in the slaughter if animals. In order to for lactation to occur a cow has to conceive and give birth, and calves are born in roughly equal numbers of males and females. The females can be worked back into the herd, but what are dairymen supposed to do with the little bulls? Keep them as pets? No, they go to a feed lot and wind up on a plate or on a bun. And what happens to a cow when she gets too old to produce at the rate required by the economics of the dairy business? If you listen to or read market reports from stock yards you'll hear them refer to a grade called canners and cutters. That's the old momma dairy cow's reward for faithfully supplying you with milk, butter, yogurt and ice cream.
2010-09-03 13:56:17
I've lived for many years in rural Texas, worked cattle, owned cattle, and seen the reality of the commercial livestock business up close. And it isn't pretty. Yes, there is cruelty in the corrida, but commercial livestock suffer all sorts of routine abuse and terror before being killed just as dead as the bull in the ring, and it happens tens of thousands of times a day. If one is a vegetarian, then opposition to the corrida is a logically consistent position. If one eats beef and pork, one is underwriting systematized , industrialized insensitivity and cruelty to animals on a scale that puts the corrida in the shade.
2010-09-03 13:17:13
Well, I suppose that's an improvement. It doesn't mitigate the torture to the bull, though, does it? God, but this is a horrific abuse of a sentient creature. I don't care if you call it drama or culture or tradition or entertainment or sport --- at the end of the day, the bull has been hideously tortured.
2010-09-03 13:14:54
Yeah? Well, one of the actors is hideously tortured before he's forced into the ring for the entertainment of the crowd. That's not drama. That's cruelty. I hope to hell there is genuine risk to the matador, because I can tell you the bull isn't sent off to live happily on a farm after the fight. After his hours of torture, he's killed. Not maybe killed, but killed. If that's drama, it's mighty sick drama.
2010-09-03 12:09:27
That's the difference between the Spaniards and the Portuguese. The Portuguese do not kill the bull - it's not part of the show.
2010-09-03 11:37:13
They're both actors playing roles in a drama. It isn't a contest or a sporting events but a performance, and there is a script. In the final act the man is supposed to kill the bull. There is genuine risk to the man who plays the role of matador because nobody has explained any of this to the bull.
2010-09-03 10:42:44
Yeah, bull! Rip him a new one!